Pullingforwildflowers.org

[quote=ā€œjon the bicyclist, post:12, topic:886ā€][quote author=ofthewood link=topic=938.msg10311#msg10311 date=1211372227]
Pullingforwildflowers is a cool story.
I have been thinking that it would be interesting to try a nomadic lifestyle,
moving in a loop through the seasonsā€¦
ā€¦ And then with so many roads, a bicycle would be handy.
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Iā€™ve been learning the great basin hoop with tranny granny since early spring. My mule is a mtn bike and in-line trailer and it does pretty well especially with finā€™s horses n buggy as a base camp with water and heavier suppliesā€¦
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Jonā€¦ I was pleased to read your journal entry in the Wiki garden, and now your first post in the RewildINFO Forum - and enjoyed reading your interesting perspectives about your Hoop Experience.

I really admire what you are doing, because when I was your age I think I would have done the same thing. In 1977 when I was in my 20ā€™s I was creating and living my dreams by making my own 20ā€™ Tipi by hand, and living in it with my 2 dogs, on an isolated, arid 12 acres, 25 miles south of Durango CO. During the days I would plant ā€œgardensā€ in the canyon, work on building an adobe ā€œSweat Lodgeā€ and cold dip pool, and at night I would drown out the loneliness by getting drunk and stoned around the firepit. If I had met Finisia or someone like her I would have packed up my Tipi and hopped on that covered wagon train and headed off into the Desertā€¦ on a real adventure. I still dream about doing it, but I am not as adventuresome, footloose and fancy free now at 57 as I once was at 23.

I look forward to your sharing more of your perspectives on your Hoop Experience. I think that your sharing of ā€œYour Hoop Storyā€ will be an inspiring motivator for those ā€œdyingā€ to make the move ā€œBack to the Gardenā€, but feeling paralyzed and afraid to take the first step out of the door.

Happy Trails to you,
Orion >>

Hi Fenā€¦ One of the organizers, White Eagle (206) 778-8605 lives in Seattle and can tell you more about Root Festival and he can email you the ā€œWhat to bring, what to expect, and How to get thereā€ package.

Hope you can make it.

Happy Trails,
Orion >>

tranny here i had this chance to see the posts and i appreciate the responses. we are six at camp at this time and we are in the huddles hole taking out the invasive tannsy ragwart. we are preparing for root fest . we hope to gather a whole ton to plant camas and bisquit roots onions and such to the maries river burn in neveda north of elko. this will be daughnting work and illegale too scince alot of the plantings will be on public land and across state lines. i hope to find allies in this lifegiving work and i know you can find your rewilding in it. again thanks and forgive my commputer illiteracy and my clumsy use of the writen word . i do have hope in this forum and the media in general . thanks to my friends who have incouraged me out of the sage ang.d even online in this outreach. thankyou thosehearts out there who long in this direction with me . i have been reading many posts and profiles anb web sites and i would love to meet all of you here in this forum. my prayer is to creator for the things of creator and that is to spend time around the fire getting to know you all. shemaw shicheen :slight_smile:

Late in responding, sorry Willem. Yeah, I do feel out of place, but not alienated or anything, just different. I do realize there are people on here other than myself that are not crash oriented either. The main difference I feel is due to not being invested in human survival if there is a crash. Just know that my feeling out of place is not a negative experience for me, I still enjoy this site greatly. :slight_smile:

tranny granny here . i want to thank clyde hall at fort hall for his support in our efforts to put on a winter camp at arco idaho. we had a great dance at wolf creek oregon where clyde handed out seven root diging sticks. my friends and mentors on the warm springs res. in oregon call these sticks cuppen. i would again ask any who feel the need to give life to the native food plants and to a rewilding culture and the seven generations to come out and help us harvest and plant these seeds. i can assure tou that you will learn much about how to sustain the wild that gives to everthing.i know that to be jaded and pesemistic passes for wisdom these days. i ask you to chance being childlike again and learn wisdom from the bisquit root and the sage . time is short to come to this thing now before all that survive are forced to. our inheretance is the hard work of restoration and renewal of the mother. why would any meek want to inherit the shit and bones that is the legacy we leave our children? civilization is that rabid dog that needs shot and dragged off before it kills every living thing . i am asking you to tighten up and become what gives life and make it abundant. civilization is a luxury that nothing of nature can support. if you do not stand to this challeng you need to ask yourself, who is your mother . if it is babylons titty you nurse then there is your mother. in the view from the hoop we dont have to greenwash our way or mitigate this culture of death. thank you all who seek a conscience. cursesto all who seek to excuse themselves from this obvious work. do your own math . what doesnot add up will never add up. shemaw shicheen

tranny granny-
Such exciting and important opportunities for stewarding the land! i celebrate that you hold space for it. :smiley:

when you get a chance, could you tell more about what you mean by ā€œcurses to all those who seek to excuse themselves from this obvious workā€? It hits me funny and I donā€™t want to assume I understand your meaning. :-\

When your walk is contrary to the truth you know and to know to do good and not then do it, is this not a curse and being one? Are we not all obligated to complete each of our circles as in those willow branches stuck deep into the earth to grow anew the tree you cut? To those who are such a curse- curses! Even if it were me. It could be all the modivation I need to change the face of my own legacy. Those consequences we each choose not to witness. When like a nun I chose to marry Jesus, I became and am Mrs. Finisia Christ. Fine until brothers and sisters had children and myself nephews and neices calling me Auntie Christ. You can see this is why I go by Tranny Granny rather than use my real name and why I say curses to those who do not complete their own circles. They are a curse.

Tranny Granny-
Thanks for responding. I still donā€™t fully understand your meaning (or feel reluctant to assume I do), but Iā€™d like to take a shot at replying.

I really support the work you do - rewild.info exists to serve exactly people like you, who hold space for the important work that needs doing. Thanks so much for posting here! We need people like you as a new underground railroad!

It sounds like you need people passionate about stewarding and renewing the wild food and land. I definitely want to help you with this.

I ask for help from you also - help to keep people feeling respected and safe here, so they can bare their souls and tell stories about the agony and ecstasy along the path of rewilding, and thus enrich the culture of rewilding for all of us. I worry that in your references to cursing people, you may intend to mean folks here. That this may inspire some folks to feel that what they do doesnā€™t count as rewilding, or counts less than what others do. I know most rewilders already struggle a lot with feelings of shame, self-hate, and rage, and I want this place to stand as a respite from such pressures. I tell you this just to let you know my concerns, certainly not that you actually intended this.

Does that all sound in line with your values and experience?

Assuming so, perhaps we can figure out together how to get your message out to as many people as possible. Youā€™ve got a Root Camp and Festival in Arco Idaho until June 28th, right?

Who else on the board wants to support this and get as many of the rewilders who need this there as possible?

I think Orion posted a lot more info in this thread: http://www.rewild.info/conversations/index.php?topic=943.0

Hello Willemā€¦ Iā€™ll let Finisia speak for herself when she logs on again within a week or two. As her webmeister / messenger and friendā€¦ I want to Thank you for your enthusiastic encouragement, support and for your recent Blog entry THE NEW UNDERGROUND RAILROAD http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/06/13/the-new-underground-railroad/ I like your comparison of Finisiaā€™s work rewilding the Great Basin area to The Underground Railroad carrying humans out of Slavery.

If I had met Finisia when I was in my idealistic, care-free ā€œfoot looseā€ twenties, living in a teepee with almost nothing to lose, back when I was a Freeā€™er Spirited Young Lad, I probably would have gladly hitched a ride on her covered wagon and headed out into the desert to learn and live a hunter gatherer lifeā€¦ for awhileā€¦ just like Jon the Bicylist is doing now. Now 35 years later I am ā€œcaught in the devilā€™s bargainā€ enslaved in the chains of Material Possessions, 4 acres to mow, a house, "treasuresā€™ to safeguard & insure, a garden to water & harvest, bills to pay, horseless buggy to feed, etcā€¦ I am ā€œback to the Vegetable Gardenā€ and living the Retirement I Dreamed of havingā€¦ and I feel trapped and utterly discontent right nowā€¦ yearning to feel free. I am free to do almost anything I want to do, go anywhere I want to (all within reason) and I donā€™t have a clue what it is that I really want to do or where I want to go. Living a simple nomadic life on the land in a covered wagon sounds so wonderful, yet wherever I go and whatever I do ā€œThere I amā€.

I have told Finisia that I donā€™t believe she will find many other people who are willing to give up their foothold in the civilized world and step out into the primitive hunter/gatherer nomadic lifestyle that she lives in. For many of us it seems to be more of a hobby or pastime that we engage in while we are also busily engaged as a cog in the gears of civilization. Rewilding is something we talk about and sometimes engage in, like on weekends, on vacation, but we still willingly enslave ourselves in the civilized world and ways, because it offers us comforts and ā€œfreedomsā€ and security that we are not willing to sacrifice for the hardships (and spiritual freedoms) of a full time lifestyle of primitive rewilding / hunting / and gathering in the uncivilized wilderness. Many of us, including myself, are torn between the two worlds, and afraid to cut our ā€œumbilical cordā€ to the civilized worldā€¦ so we reluctantly participate in civilizationā€™s destruction of the natural world, while we wait for the ā€œCollapseā€ and are forced into Survival Mode with 6.8 Billion other screaming, clawing, starving human beings. Very few are willing to actually disengage from civilization and dedicate/commit their life to working to ā€œsave mother earthā€ by planting back native plants in the desert, as she has been doing for 10+ years.

Finisia understands this and speaks of an Inner Circle and an Outer Circle of the life hoop that she follows, inspired from the Native American Round Dances. There are the Dancers on the outer edges of the circle and there are the fire keepers, bundle keepers, water witches, vision caregivers, sitting in the middle of the circle. The Outer Circle are those like herself who are ā€œDancing the Danceā€ and the Inner Circle are those who are Supporting the Danceā€¦ as I am doing as her Internet messenger, you with rewild.info and anyone else actively contributing something to the ā€œRewilding Renaissanceā€.

Part of Finisia and Coyote Camps vision is to create an Inner Circle of privately owned Sanctuaries around the Hoop where the nomadic ā€œDancersā€ can find refuge to camp and hold Potlatches as they follow the Hoop and Seasons, replanting and living in unison with the land. You can read more about Finisiaā€™s Vision at http://www.pullingforwildflowers.org/vision.htm

Finisia appreciates the support of the Inner Circle that supports her in her Primitive Rewilding Dance in the Outer Hoop of the Great Basin. She also wishes that she were not so alone in her work and that more supporters would stand up and join her in Dancing the Dance.

Sorry for the long-winded post.

Orion-
Thanks for that! It didnā€™t feel long winded at all. That helped me understand Finisiaā€™s goals and how she sees her work.

I have a personal story to tell, in response to something that you brought up, the idea of ā€œwilling enslavement to civilizationā€.

I think that putting it that way reveals something interesting about our situation. As they say in the noir movies, ā€œeveryone has their priceā€. What does it mean to ā€œwillingly enslaveā€ yourself? This reminds me of addictive relationships. Addiction still plays a big role in my life, but in a topsy-turvy way. I realized something not too long ago, that I donā€™t shy away from the classic image of the rewilding life (wearing buckskins, living in the mountains, sitting round the campfire, etc.) because of my addictions, I have addictions because I donā€™t live a holistically rewilded life. My addictions help me to cope with life in civilization, they donā€™t keep me there (once again, telling just my story here). They dope the anguish of living in the city.

Now, why do I live in the city?

Family. Meaning. Culture. Story. Community.

I canā€™t imagine abandoning my mother, father, brother (and his fiancee), sister (and her loving boyfriend), my friends Peter, Lisa, Tony (both Tonys), Mike, and so on. Some of these people would consider relocating to a healthier space if I asked them; most wouldnā€™t. Some would, but canā€™t do it quite yet, stuck in the cycle of debt and figuring out their own life goals.

I spent two years bumping around from commune to commune, playing at adopting strangers as family, trying to get the same meaning out of relationships with people Iā€™d just met, as with the ones Iā€™d left behind and who, in their own way, know me inside and out.

This didnā€™t work out at all. Not only that, but the Story we lived together didnā€™t feel satisfying; the culture we enacted together resembled secular puritanism (good/bad, right/wrong, judgment, blame, shame) just like in the city.

I suspect this happens to a lot of folks, who want to rewild in the way Finisia offers, but simply donā€™t know how to get their needs met for deep family connections, meaningful story, and satisfying community.

In large part because of these experiences, I went from obsessing over wilderness survival to obsessing over the more invisible aspects of indigenous life, family and story. How do we revitalize them?

Anymore, I see everyone as doing their own unique ā€œrewildingā€, because of issues like this; each of us has needs, some unique and others common, that only we know how to address. For some, their inner nature means they may never leave the city (at least not until they figure out how to meet its needs away from the city); for others, they have an inner nature that matches well this generation of rewilding-away-from-the-city. I believe everyone, including you Orion, heroically struggles with discovering themselves and staying honest with what rewilding means for them.

Hmph. Talk about long-winded! :slight_smile:

My personal goal: (for those who need it for their rewilding), to help members of the culture of rewilding figure out how to think no longer in terms of ā€œindividuals fleeing civilizationā€, but in terms of ā€œfamilies renewing togetherā€. To me this means a great renewal and rebirthing of nourishing family traditions, so that those of us with family members who donā€™t rewild, suddenly they may see us in a new light, not as freaks or members of a ā€œcounter-cultureā€, but as loving family, supporting and enlivening them.

I could go on and on about this, but suffice to say: we desperately need Finisia. We desperately need you. We desperately need the gutter punks. And the academics. And the primitivists. All of them! We have a lot of things to put back together. I donā€™t personally think in terms of ā€œwhy folks wonā€™t leave civā€ anymore, but rather ā€œwhat nest-building remains so that folks can leave civ and live in a new, nourishing culture?ā€.

:slight_smile:

Thanks Willem for your insightful, ā€œmore long-winded than mineā€ reply which I found very interesting. I appreciate your thoughts on addictions, willing enslavement to civilization and your personal story of your past search for ā€œfamilyā€ in commune settings and your eventual return to the city and your roots in your real family. I agree with you that we can all play our own unique role and make our own important contributions to Rewilding.

Thanks,
Orion >>

I do say I think we need it all, Finisia replanting wildflowers on the Hoop, Willem replanting the invisible technologies, others sharing their more physical technologies, and academic as well. No one can hit all them, how overwhelming, but how would we do without them? Sure it may all lead to a bit of frivolous debate and ā€˜talkā€™ instead of ā€˜walkā€™ at times, but for me at the moment, Iā€™ve been almost using as a replacement to my past addictions. And like Willem said, my addictions didnā€™t keep me in civilization, they were actually an escape (mental) from it, as a coping mechanism. So I have replaced my video game addiction with rewilding, and instead of reading strategy guides and studying replays I read rewilding literature and such videos. The difference though comes out in my entire being, and that it aids me in growth and information and stories I can share even with people outside of rewild.info rather thanā€¦ well yeahā€¦ notā€¦
and just to know that what I do and learn now, can and will stay and have use for me the rest of my life (sure it may continue to change and shape and grow) rather than an addiction for the just here and now.

I just got back from Arco with Finisia and Jamie and I had a wonderful time (apart from getting a bit sick possibly from the rapid climate change, cool n wet to hot n dry). I really enjoyed learning from Finisia about completing our circles, and instead of simply taking, giving back at the same time. When I fell sick we made some willow bark tree. I went out and cut a branch off a tree, and then Finisia instructed me on how to replant the stems of the branch so they will grow into more trees. Creating abundance, and giving all things their life. I want to learn more about completing my circles in all things I do, it feels wonderful and sustainable in my relationships to do so.

I also took away with me just how much and the possibility living and rewilding in the arid west. That people can live and thrive in such an environment (though sure it looks different now than before)! Kind of a great mental and morale boost in a way, to see all the wild onions and breadroots and such growing in spite of it all. Though, also hard and sad to see the destruction of itā€¦ and the spreading of invasive plantsā€¦ like feeling continuously robbed and back stabbed.

shemaw shicheen i can say this to willem . i hold only my own vision. i would encourage you . if my words or tone bite try planting wilderness.thanks tranny granny

A little off topic here but what does shemaw shicheen mean?

Tranny Granny, this doesnā€™t really address my concerns. Please donā€™t offer unasked-for advice here at rewild.info. Thank you for holding space for what you do. I hope to visit yā€™all soon at one of your camps.

then i dont understand your concerns or why you have them shemaw shicheen is navaho for my fake grandmother

My concerns: please honor the guidelines weā€™ve established here for the content of our posts.

  1. Tell your own story
  2. Ask questions
  3. No unsolicited/unasked for advice for others.

[quote=ā€œWillem, post:20, topic:886ā€]I really support the work you do - rewild.info exists to serve exactly people like you, who hold space for the important work that needs doing. Thanks so much for posting here! We need people like you as a new underground railroad!

It sounds like you need people passionate about stewarding and renewing the wild food and land. I definitely want to help you with this.

I ask for help from you also - help to keep people feeling respected and safe here, so they can bare their souls and tell stories about the agony and ecstasy along the path of rewilding, and thus enrich the culture of rewilding for all of us. I worry that in your references to cursing people, you may intend to mean folks here. That this may inspire some folks to feel that what they do doesnā€™t count as rewilding, or counts less than what others do. I know most rewilders already struggle a lot with feelings of shame, self-hate, and rage, and I want this place to stand as a respite from such pressuresā€¦ I tell you this just to let you know my concerns, certainly not that you actually intended this.

ā€¦Perhaps we can figure out together how to get your message out to as many people as possible. Youā€™ve got a Root Camp and Festival in Arco Idaho until June 28th, right?

Who else on the board wants to support this and get as many of the rewilders who need this there as possible?[/quote]

Finisia,

Willem clearly expressed his support for you and his concerns in his reply quoted aboveā€¦ especially ā€œhelp to keep people feeling respected and safe hereā€. We donā€™t need to be Preaching ā€œHell, Fire, Shame, Blame, Curses and Damnationā€ Sermons to the Rewilding Choir here. We all have our own unique gifts and abilities to contribute to Rewilding. We all thrive and grow on praise, encouragement, kindness and inspiration. Curses and condemnation has a withering effect.

As your messenger I need to convey the message to you that Willem is WITH YOU, NOT AGAINST YOU!! He has kindly Thanked you for your work (several times), promoted your work in his Blog, offered to help you get your message out to as many people as possible, even promoted your Root Festival!! And he recently wroteā€¦ ā€œI hope to visit yā€™all soon at one of your campsā€. I think we should be welcoming, accepting and working with Willem.

I am very Thankful to Willem for his enthusiastic support for you. Thanks Willem!! I hope Finisia will accept your gracious offer.

Thanks Finisia for dedicating your life to living with the land and replanting the native plants of the Great Basin, teaching others to do the same, and for recently sharing your home, hospitality, wisdom, experience and rewilding skills with the 17+ ā€œCoyotesā€ that attended this years Root Festival Camp.

Orion >>
www.pullingforwildflowers.org

Yeah, so, in the spirit of moving forward. . .

When and where will the berry camp happen? I see Council, ID on the map. Looks like a little shorter journey from Portland :).ā€“and with little more advance notice, I may head out there. Info please? I couldnā€™t find anything on pullingforwildflowers.org.

in th espirit of a happy contrition i want to thank you willem for the help and wisdom you shared and your tolerance for my inexperience in this medium. also thank you orion for your gentle hazzing to keep me on track . being reminded of those running rules is very helpful. i will be more aware. thanks for your help here in this forum to post our efforts. in this way also i want you to know we here in camp are going to the marys river north of elko nev next week to plant some 700lbs of these native ediable wild flowers . we will make postings on the site. thanks all. smemaw shicheen