The false image of privelege

Visions of the Rewilding Renaissance Rewilding Mind & Heart
#1

Somthing I wrote on another website.

Every organism beyond man fulfills it’s life naturally as if the faculties of life were basic gestures to be carried out at their own will at anytime.

Man then becomes the only species that turns the basic foundation of living into a commodity or privelege.

Living, reproduction, eating, being social, and being alive are no longer basic gestures of life controlled by the will of the individual but instead is a commodity or privelege to be bought by eternal servitude. Acknowledging this very fact one can see the utter ugliness of humanity compared to all other species.

#2

I don’t buy the “Humans are intrinsically flawed” arguement.

What you wrote is true for some humans, but not 100% of humans. Therefore

Being human is equal to damnation
is bullshit.
#3

I agree with Rory but I also feel that pain of being human in this civilization every day when I am desperately calculating how much money i will make this summer and depairing that will never be enough to buy me a simple place to sleep on this earth, that I may have to work for years and years and years just to own something I don’t even want to own, but I have to because that’s the way things work.

#4
Being human is equal to damnation

i think if you were to experience a native community, this statement would be much more difficult to make.

being civilized may be equal to damnation, but i think thats only if one wishes to remain civilized.
i am civilized, but am rewilding. i live in civilized manner, and also in a primitive one. every day i work towards becoming one of earth mothers children… am i damned? or saved?

#5

The one thing that keeps me on the rails when I’m in danger of slipping back into a civilised outlook is the simple question “why are we the only species on Earth that has to pay to live?”.

Every other creature (with the possible exception of domesticates) exists in the way it was built for, their work directly bringing about their own survival. Since civilisation humans have had this capability applied rather incongruously into work that props up the system, getting in return a vastly diluted medium of credit for acquiring means of survival rigged up by other humans through the same method. You won’t cut out the middleman in civilisation, because civilisation IS the middleman.

It’s easy to feel disappointment in humankind for so readily accepting such a crappy deal, and pointing the finger at some inherent flaw in our psyche. But remember that civilisation has been custom-built as the perfect parasite around this same psyche, sowing its seed from the very moment of our birth and creating an artificial environment around us most conducive to its expansion. One could class it as a life form in itself. And like all overconsuming life forms, it doesn’t survive in an ecosystem for relatively long. A phenomenon as unstable as civilisation having the “key” to human thought should not be mistaken for humanity itself.

#6

[quote=“23, post:2, topic:224”]I don’t buy the “Humans are intrinsically flawed” arguement.

What you wrote is true for some humans, but not 100% of humans. Therefore [quote]Being human is equal to damnation[/quote] is bullshit.[/quote]

Actually that quote I was speaking about was just meant for civilized human beings only.

I am of the Rousseaunian belief that there is a original goodness to man in all actuality.

#7

i think if you were to experience a native community, this statement would be much more difficult to make.

being civilized may be equal to damnation, but i think thats only if one wishes to remain civilized.
i am civilized, but am rewilding. i live in civilized manner, and also in a primitive one. every day i work towards becoming one of earth mothers children… am i damned? or saved?[/quote]

I would actually like to expirience a native community. One reason why I signed up for this site.

#8

[quote=“Kaliverdant, post:5, topic:224”]The one thing that keeps me on the rails when I’m in danger of slipping back into a civilised outlook is the simple question “why are we the only species on Earth that has to pay to live?”.

Every other creature (with the possible exception of domesticates) exists in the way it was built for, their work directly bringing about their own survival. Since civilisation humans have had this capability applied rather incongruously into work that props up the system, getting in return a vastly diluted medium of credit for acquiring means of survival rigged up by other humans through the same method. You won’t cut out the middleman in civilisation, because civilisation IS the middleman.

It’s easy to feel disappointment in humankind for so readily accepting such a crappy deal, and pointing the finger at some inherent flaw in our psyche. But remember that civilisation has been custom-built as the perfect parasite around this same psyche, sowing its seed from the very moment of our birth and creating an artificial environment around us most conducive to its expansion. One could class it as a life form in itself. And like all overconsuming life forms, it doesn’t survive in an ecosystem for relatively long. A phenomenon as unstable as civilisation having the “key” to human thought should not be mistaken for humanity itself.[/quote]

Great post. :slight_smile:

That is exactly how I see it.

Human beings are the only creatures that put out a value of life that some how should be earned when in all actuality everyone is born free to do whatever they want so long as it fits with survival or natural law.

#9

At times I feel like I’ve been given all these wonderful oranaments and furnishings and decorations only to find out nothing other than 1 watt lightbulbs exist, candles have been outlawed [punishments vary] and I have to pedal a rusty resistant bike while listening to the same Kenny G and Rod Stewart albums [I liked neither to begin with] to keep the light lit.

Oh, and I’m entitled to one dim stained glass window.

It’s a rotten hand being born into oppression.
We all know this.

Man then becomes the only species that turns the basic foundation of living into a commodity or privelege.

Does any other species have the capacity to do so? What would happen if we gave dolphins bionic arms and taught them how to make tools?

Perhaps the entirety of the development of humankind up till now has been no more than a really drawn out and complex lesson.

Perhaps, as a collective, after all the travail and oppression, we’ll learn some spiffy stuff. Things like ‘love really is all you need’ and ‘the domination/submission system ends badly.’

Perhaps the lessons will stick.
Perhaps humanity is just another weak or suicidal intelligent race slumming around in a gigantic universe which plays out ‘survival of the fittest’ on a grand scale.

Or maybe civ will end and we’ll change in a way we cannot predict. Something on the same level as developing the ability to speak and beginning to build a complex and detailed language.

Man then becomes the only species that turns the basic foundation of living into a commodity or privelege.

Okay. Yeah. I agree. What can we do and what must we do if we really really care?

#10

[quote=“CHS, post:9, topic:224”]At times I feel like I’ve been given all these wonderful oranaments and furnishings and decorations only to find out nothing other than 1 watt lightbulbs exist, candles have been outlawed [punishments vary] and I have to pedal a rusty resistant bike while listening to the same Kenny G and Rod Stewart albums [I liked neither to begin with] to keep the light lit.

Oh, and I’m entitled to one dim stained glass window.

It’s a rotten hand being born into oppression.
We all know this.

Does any other species have the capacity to do so? What would happen if we gave dolphins bionic arms and taught them how to make tools?

Perhaps the entirety of the development of humankind up till now has been no more than a really drawn out and complex lesson.

Perhaps, as a collective, after all the travail and oppression, we’ll learn some spiffy stuff. Things like ‘love really is all you need’ and ‘the domination/submission system ends badly.’

Perhaps the lessons will stick.
Perhaps humanity is just another weak or suicidal intelligent race slumming around in a gigantic universe which plays out ‘survival of the fittest’ on a grand scale.

Or maybe civ will end and we’ll change in a way we cannot predict. Something on the same level as developing the ability to speak and beginning to build a complex and detailed language.

Okay. Yeah. I agree. What can we do and what must we do if we really really care?[/quote]

Okay. Yeah. I agree. What can we do and what must we do if we really really care?

Anarcho Primitivism. :slight_smile:

I agree with everything else you said.

#11
Being human is equal to damnation.

Alright, I’ll chime in on your signature, too, TheJoker.

I understand (now that you’ve explained) that you mean to indicate being a human in civilization is equal to damnation. I take it that you express this because you feel damned within civilization. And if that’s the case, you’re in good company.

But I feel like civilization keeps us from being fully human. All the other species on the planet know how to live, but we have been robbed of the knowledge and robbed of the opportunity. That depravity that our culture swaddles us in from birth is damning–to us and the rest of the species on the planet. But real humans (the kind civilization sees as less-than-human) live a life more akin to heaven. Not the shiny, harpy, up-in-the-clouds with no worry or trouble or pain or death kind of heaven that civilized religions preach and prophecy about. But the heaven of living life with all its sorrow and joy, interacting with all your relations–human and otherwise–in a symbiosis. Like Martin Prechtel says:

[s](my paraphrase from memory–i’ll edit this when i get a chance to transcribe his actual words):

Heaven isn’t a place you go to. It something you recognize when you sit down with all your relatives and your village and you’re glad to be there alive and well or even sick but that’s okay too.[/s]

To us, heaven isn't some place we [b]go to[/b]. It's some place we [b]recognize[/b]. And it ain't a [b]good[/b] place. It's a [b]delicious[/b] place, a [b]wonderful[/b] place, a [b]strange[/b] place, a [b]mysterious[/b] place.

It’s called sitting around the fire alive with all your people and maybe sick and maybe well, together, smoking the cigar, eating the food, having enough fire wood, having enough clothes on your back, telling jokes, having enough people to slap out the tortilla and talk about what so-and-so did or this dog runs through or the time when you cooked the crabs and they all jumped out of the pot and ran away. You know all these crazy things… Well, that’s heaven to us.

#12
I would actually like to expirience a native community. One reason why I signed up for this site.

this is a very difficult thing to do in this age. an elder told me one of the best things i can do to further my growth was to find other people. this site does help with that, but i find it odd that we primitivists have to go to the computer for this, as there really arnt that many people out there. one must follow their heart and it will lead to where you need to go and who you need to meet. like energy finds itself in the universe. also, one must expand who they consider their relations. all beings of the earth are our brothers and sisters, our friends, companions and teachers. they will guide you to the bosom of the mother, as they are the first teachers, the ones who taught all native peoples. seek their guidance, ask their help and they will not refuse. amazing things begin to happen when we open to the natural world in this way. your friends await you.

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#13

[quote=“tree whisperer, post:12, topic:224”][quote]

I would actually like to expirience a native community. One reason why I signed up for this site.
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this is a very difficult thing to do in this age. an elder told me one of the best things i can do to further my growth was to find other people. this site does help with that, but i find it odd that we primitivists have to go to the computer for this, as there really arnt that many people out there. one must follow their heart and it will lead to where you need to go and who you need to meet. like energy finds itself in the universe. also, one must expand who they consider their relations. all beings of the earth are our brothers and sisters, our friends, companions and teachers. they will guide you to the bosom of the mother, as they are the first teachers, the ones who taught all native peoples. seek their guidance, ask their help and they will not refuse. amazing things begin to happen when we open to the natural world in this way. your friends await you.[/quote]

Hopefully when I take that step into the earth I will find others like myself.

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#14

Posts after this point have been moved to a new thread “contemplating my own philosophical awareness” due to a change in topic.

#15

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Hopefully when I take that step into the earth I will find others like myself.

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dont hope… just take the step. others are there… waiting for that step. its the step thats right in front of you. its always the step thats right in front of you. when should not be in your vocabulary, now is whats important.
right now you can go outside find a plant sit down and have a conversation with it… and it will teach you.