Squatting on public land

Regenerative & Transitional Technology Shelter
#8

Personally I have done this many a time here in the National Forest Areas
here in Northwest Wyoming. But unlike others where oe would just stay in
one spot, I moved from place to place from the spring to the fall. Here in the
West, there are lots of areas where there are huge chunks of unroaded
and wild country. Guess personally I would get bored some in just staying
in one spot. Being in one place for awhile, live with the land and the local
wildlife then move a few miles away to that other place for several weeks
then on to the next place. In most places, this would be within the local
regs to boot. Here in NW Wyoming, the NF Regulations specify that one
can only be in one spot for 16 days then move at least 5 miles away and
can’t come back to the current spot for 7 days. Now so much country and
such short lives, we could not see it all in our lifetimes. The one thing that
some places have as regulations is a time limit that one can be in that areas
backcountry that one would have to watch out for. I know of several areas
like this. But here in NW Wyoming’s Nat’l Forests, this is not the case on
this one. And also with many of the Hunter-Gatherers thru history, their
“Home” was just not one place but a huge chunk of area which they
roamed and wandered in thru the year and the season. This was the case
for the Sheepeaters or the Mountain Shoshones who lived in the mountain
valleys in the winter and the high mountain country in the summer. And
here in the west, still large enough ares where some individuals or some
small groups could do this very thing. Just my two cents worth.

Plus am new here, have been lurking but decide to go ahead and start
posting. Have been going back into the wilds for years. Creator Bless!

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#9

Welcome, Kmatjhwy! Thanks for your coming out and additional posting support! Awesome first post! I enjoyed reading it and look farward to reading more by you. :slight_smile: Peace! Later!

#10

Yeah 14 days and if a po po does hasle you say you have just got there yesterday. if you say you’ve been there 12 days they say you got 2 to leave, you get the point. Say you found whatever your living in if you need to. If they ask “who’s stuff is in there”, say all of its yours or they’ll take what you don’t claim. Mostly cops suck and dont talk to them but whatever sometimes its hard not to.

#11

In my humble opinion, national parks would not be the best of places to escape to. I go into Yellowstone quite often, but hike in, and am so far removed from any form of travel into the area that, in theory, people would not find out for a long time. It has all been said already. Forest or BLM is the way to go, so long as you move every 2 or 3 weeks, dependant on the area and local rules. I have never been hassled, but that does not mean anything. One of my friends and I are trying to figure out a way to disappear into the woods, and it is very close to being our reality. Good luck.
Johnny

#12

Hello all, the voice of experience here. It doesn’t matter whether it is blm or nat. forest or whatever. What matters is how far off of regularly traveled roadways/trails you are, if you leave a well worn trail and how well your smoke and waste is seen/smelled. I am no anarchist but I do resent the so called “authorities” telling people that they have no bussiness living on Earth without paying someone for the “priveledge”. The fact is that people have the Right to live and even homestead on ANY property that is not privately owned as long as they take only enough to sustain their family with food, water, clothes, warmth, shelter and sanitation.

That is the deal and the truth so all you socialists must repent and the rest of us need to vote for Ron Paul then quickly go join the Lakota Freedom movement!

~Injunkayl

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#13

well, obviously i can’t speak for everyone here, but i am definitely not a socialist (and most of the self-identified “anarchists” i’ve met are more strongly opposed to socialism than anyone!)

my father grew up in a marxist state and at times had to eat handfulls of grass from the yard just to stop the hunger pangs. i guess that’s why he moved to america became a right-wing conservative (which i can understand).

and good luck to the Lakota…i just hope they can survive some of ron paul’s (other) supporters

#14

I know this is an old, stale thread (sorry >.<) , but I have a question that needs to be asked, and this seems an ideal thread.

I want to move to the US and meet up with a few friends who are rewilding also (Washington state).

I’m from New Zealand where, as beautiful of a country that it is there really isn’t any “space” between “civilization”.

The US or Canada looks to be the ideal places to go very deep and disappear… but I’m worried about the whole us citizenship and such, that I’ll have to work for 5 years before i can get citizenship… any thoughts on possibly getting away with just arriving and then disappearing ?

arg, damn civilization and its paper trails >.<

#15

Most anarchists oppose communism, not socialism per se. In fact, most I’ve met and talked to are socialists of a sort. Traditional cultures are fairly socialist in their wealth distribution, but this is different from a communist state in that there is no central control of the resources.

If we decide to take this tangent further, it should probably be on another thread.

#16

I have met a few foreign people who are living in the US without the proper papers. I also grew up close to the US/Mexican border and I can tell you there are plenty of people living in this “melting pot” who are not registered or anything and they get jobs and live in the cities and have little trouble with authorities.

#17

[quote=“anti_, post:14, topic:274”]I know this is an old, stale thread (sorry >.<) , but I have a question that needs to be asked, and this seems an ideal thread.

I want to move to the US and meet up with a few friends who are rewilding also (Washington state).

I’m from New Zealand where, as beautiful of a country that it is there really isn’t any “space” between “civilization”.

The US or Canada looks to be the ideal places to go very deep and disappear… but I’m worried about the whole us citizenship and such, that I’ll have to work for 5 years before i can get citizenship… any thoughts on possibly getting away with just arriving and then disappearing ?

arg, damn civilization and its paper trails >.<[/quote]

anti_,

I would definitely worry about the citizenship thing. this week a factory was raided and 600 immigrants were arrested. these were people that were fully propping up the economy, and were still sent to a detention center. if you want to stay, i would recommend getting married. or, it might be easier for you to get canadian citizenship, what with the whole commonwealth thing and all.

#18

Thanks clickety, thats something I hadn’t thought of !

I’ll do some research ^.^

#19

[quote=“incendiary_dan, post:15, topic:274”][quote author=primal parent link=topic=283.msg7970#msg7970 date=1201869232]
well, obviously i can’t speak for everyone here, but i am definitely not a socialist (and most of the self-identified “anarchists” i’ve met are more strongly opposed to socialism than anyone!)
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Most anarchists oppose communism, not socialism per se. In fact, most I’ve met and talked to are socialists of a sort. Traditional cultures are fairly socialist in their wealth distribution, but this is different from a communist state in that there is no central control of the resources.[/quote]

hmm… Dan, what do you think about an accord of anarchy and communism? (anarcho-communism), I find it heavily follows (and much better follows when applied towards) anarcho-primitivism ideals.

From wikipedia

Due to the egalitarian nature of most hunter gatherer societies anarchist-communists and some green anarchists (Especially Anarcho-primivists) argue that hunter gatherer tribes were the early forms of anarchist-communism.

and…

Examples of anarcho-communism

Some parts of the free software community, the GNU movement and parts of the copyleft movement are a type of information and software gift economy (a gift economy being the preferred economic system of anarcho-communists)

#20

I think those people misunderstand the differentiation between socialism and communism, namely the issue of central control.

#21

does communism have to imply central control? Isn’t that kind of the difference when added with anarchy, but I see what you mean, I myself care less about socialism than communism (I rather dislike socialism in today’s sense)

#22

I think you might be mixing up communism and Communism. Without the big “C”, you don’t have all the connotations that come along with talking about the Soviet Union and whatnot.

#23

They’re the same word, just with the people using “communism” trying to reinvent a word when another, “socialism”, already exists.

#24

Listen guys, lets not get into petty arguments about such a silly thing, huh? In the beginning, socialism was the practice and communism was the goal; a word meaning “socialist utopia”. When Stalin claimed that he had achieved this (using a form of socialism with centralized control), the kind of socialism he practiced came to be called communism, creating this current confusion of the term.

#25

Anti,

Glad to hear you’re thinking about making the jump to rewilding. What about Australia? There ought to be plenty of bush there to hide away in no?

Anyway, if you have your heart and mind set on the US, think about finding someone who will be sailing from NZ to the US, you may even be able to find someone sailing directly to the Washington coast. This way you have a much better chance of getting through if your captain is willing to look the other way. I’m looking at going to hawaii from the mainland US and I’d like to travel anonymously for personal reasons, sailing is one method I’ve been checking. A lot of people are looking for crew and if you can get yourself some experience in open water you might be able to get a free trip working as a crewman.

Best of luck to you either way, be careful of the bears out that way, the forest fires are reportedly making them hungrier and thus more aggressive than usual!

Ryan

#26

ehehe bears for the win !

I’ve actually booked by tickets for Jan 16th, heading to New Hampshire as I have a good friend living there.

He’s going to help me get grounded, he’s also into rewilding but he’s not on this site despite my nagging ! (he reads it tho)

His father owns like 36 acres of “wild” land that we are going to practice alot in.

Once we are sorted Washington state is where we intend on heading…

so should be good

EDIT: Whay not Aus ? Aus tends to be hot as hell at the coolest of times, with the fever our world is getting its only going to get hotter, while I still have the choice over where I want to rewild, I will make the choice to live somewhere cooler :stuck_out_tongue:

#27

Hi Dylan (just found your post on the introductions thread). I’m a kiwi too, it’s good to find another here.

I’m suprised you don’t find NZ a good place to rewild. To me it seems like theres enough wild space here, like the west coast of the south island for instance.

Where are you exactly? I’m in Christchurch. I’m lucky enough to live with a good friend whose also into rewilding. Unfortunately we’ve done more talking then action at this stage but we have done a few things such as catching/cooking eels, making an eel trap, looking for edible plants and attempting to make/use a bow drill (hope to get that working soon). We’re hoping to be more active this summer.

Anyhow, I’m sorry to hear you’re heading offshore soon but I wish you the best of luck with those bears. :wink: If circumstances change and you end up staying in NZ and you’re near Christchurch, feel free to look me up.

I’d be keen to meet up with other rewilders, whether it’d be just to hang out or put ideas into practise.

-Tom