Simplicity

Visions of the Rewilding Renaissance Rewilding Mind & Heart
#1

What does it truely mean to be a anarcho primitivist? Our movement is one of finding simplicity where we can reconnect ourselves with our natural enviroment fighting to survive on our own skills instead of having someone over our shoulder in telling us what to do with our very own lives.

Ultimately I think Language,metaphors,symbols,descriptions, and various applications of installing how reality should be is a lost of faith in sense perception without words.

I much more admire and prefer moments in life where I enjoy things without speaking, without classification, or without thought.

When one holds their lover and child there is no words,thoughts, or classifications but just the simple enjoying essence of momentary being.

This is where I see the self defeating motion of such deceptions, traps and disguises of men from that of civilization.

[b]Ask yourself this:

Why must everything in life be classified,described, or controlled?

What purpose or agenda does this serve?

Does this not take out the enchantment of living or being alive?[/b]

#2

It remains interesting to me,
that though subtleties and differences exist from language to language, loss always happens when attempting to contrive emotion into expression such as language.
Along the lines you touched on for example,to fully express the emotion I feel for my son and wife words are not employed.They simply fail.An earnest attempt perhaps,but fails none the less.
The civilized mind seems to strive for classification,as if the only way to grasp understanding.This leads to problems such as ‘what religion refuses to answer,and science cannot’.If it defies explanation or reasoning,the civilized mind finds itself in a bit of a pickle.indeed.

#3

[quote=“tsuchi akurei, post:2, topic:359”]It remains interesting to me,
that though subtleties and differences exist from language to language, loss always happens when attempting to contrive emotion into expression such as language.
Along the lines you touched on for example,to fully express the emotion I feel for my son and wife words are not employed.They simply fail.An earnest attempt perhaps,but fails none the less.
The civilized mind seems to strive for classification,as if the only way to grasp understanding.This leads to problems such as ‘what religion refuses to answer,and science cannot’.If it defies explanation or reasoning,the civilized mind finds itself in a bit of a pickle.indeed.[/quote]

“Language is the instrument of those who have lost faith in reality.” Smithson-

If I read or hear somthing spoken it is not true but if I feel somthing through my very emotions that is expirienced it must be real.

#4

[quote=“TheJoker, post:3, topic:359”][quote author=tsuchi akurei link=topic=382.msg3800#msg3800 date=1187463017]
It remains interesting to me,
that though subtleties and differences exist from language to language, loss always happens when attempting to contrive emotion into expression such as language.
Along the lines you touched on for example,to fully express the emotion I feel for my son and wife words are not employed.They simply fail.An earnest attempt perhaps,but fails none the less.
The civilized mind seems to strive for classification,as if the only way to grasp understanding.This leads to problems such as ‘what religion refuses to answer,and science cannot’.If it defies explanation or reasoning,the civilized mind finds itself in a bit of a pickle.indeed.
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“Language is the instrument of those who have lost faith in reality.” Smithson-

If I read or hear somthing spoken it is not true but if I feel somthing through my very emotions that is expirienced it must be real.[/quote]

Yes,eloquently put.
I have found a true sense of disconnection in attempting to rationalize using modes or memes outside what I simply experience.

#5

I think the point of calling it “anarcho-primitivism” or whatever else you want is to try to turn it into a meme, a shared Idea. Sure, it only has meaning in what I experience. But giving it a name allows me to talk to others about it, and it having a name makes it easier for a person to justify to themselves and others what they are doing.

I’ll give an unrelated example. I like to climb on things. I enjoy doing it at random times, wherever I happen to be. I like being a little bit of an acrobat. I used to occasionally indulge in these urges when out on walks. But 2 years ago, I learned about parkour. Now in the end parkour is nothing but getting really good at running, jumping, and climbing whatever happens to be around you. You see, I was alreay interested in the activities that comprise parkour, and I was already doing them. But having a name, something I could tell people I was doing, was powerful. Now I could tell my wife “it’s parkour night, see you later.” Now I could invite people to come do parkour with me, as opposed to “hey, wanna go jump over a fence 20 or 30 times in a row?” I could train to get better. I could do it more often, in more public places, because if anyone asked what I was doing, I’d have an answer. That’s what a name is for.

#6

[quote=“Andrew Jensen, post:5, topic:359”]I think the point of calling it “anarcho-primitivism” or whatever else you want is to try to turn it into a meme, a shared Idea. Sure, it only has meaning in what I experience. But giving it a name allows me to talk to others about it, and it having a name makes it easier for a person to justify to themselves and others what they are doing.

I’ll give an unrelated example. I like to climb on things. I enjoy doing it at random times, wherever I happen to be. I like being a little bit of an acrobat. I used to occasionally indulge in these urges when out on walks. But 2 years ago, I learned about parkour. Now in the end parkour is nothing but getting really good at running, jumping, and climbing whatever happens to be around you. You see, I was alreay interested in the activities that comprise parkour, and I was already doing them. But having a name, something I could tell people I was doing, was powerful. Now I could tell my wife “it’s parkour night, see you later.” Now I could invite people to come do parkour with me, as opposed to “hey, wanna go jump over a fence 20 or 30 times in a row?” I could train to get better. I could do it more often, in more public places, because if anyone asked what I was doing, I’d have an answer. That’s what a name is for.[/quote]

Anarcho primitivism is only a name or a meme of language but I am betting most people are attracted to this form of being for the simple motions of sensual expirience.

#7

[quote=“TheJoker, post:6, topic:359”][quote author=Andrew Jensen link=topic=382.msg3882#msg3882 date=1187641096]
I think the point of calling it “anarcho-primitivism” or whatever else you want is to try to turn it into a meme, a shared Idea. Sure, it only has meaning in what I experience. But giving it a name allows me to talk to others about it, and it having a name makes it easier for a person to justify to themselves and others what they are doing.

I’ll give an unrelated example. I like to climb on things. I enjoy doing it at random times, wherever I happen to be. I like being a little bit of an acrobat. I used to occasionally indulge in these urges when out on walks. But 2 years ago, I learned about parkour. Now in the end parkour is nothing but getting really good at running, jumping, and climbing whatever happens to be around you. You see, I was alreay interested in the activities that comprise parkour, and I was already doing them. But having a name, something I could tell people I was doing, was powerful. Now I could tell my wife “it’s parkour night, see you later.” Now I could invite people to come do parkour with me, as opposed to “hey, wanna go jump over a fence 20 or 30 times in a row?” I could train to get better. I could do it more often, in more public places, because if anyone asked what I was doing, I’d have an answer. That’s what a name is for.
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Anarcho primitivism is only a name or a meme of language but I am betting most people are attracted to this form of being for the simple motions of sensual expirience.[/quote]

Indeed.The attraction exists there for myself.
I personally hate having to express using a term such as anarcho-primitivism…
This extends,again for me,to having to resort to using terms such as parkour or a myriad other labels.I understand the sense of power or congruity in a label,but I find a depth and breadth to the act of explanation without having to use a coined term.Though one may contend not using a label or catch phrase or some other such construct can lead to ambiguity,I feel freeing the communication from such devices can successfully convey meaning and emotion without having to use a system that relates-one thing-on- a-similar-level to something else maybe somewhat similar or mostly dissimilar.What I mean revolves around avoiding the possibility of not only attempting to convey an idea that may not be so disseminated,but as well leaving open the positive interaction of conveyance of qualities outside pre-conceived cultural and society-based prejudices.What walls may be faced when someone utters the terms anarchy,anarchism,primitivism,or,anarcho-primitivism.To make an effort to express feelings of non-centralized organization without the help of a self serving central governmental system with conscious regard to utilizing,cultivating,and maintaining a community based existence more closely linked to survival and respect closer to the earth without the need or necessarily a want of modern industrialized technologies we see something cross cultural and basic-fundamental emerge.This is an expression that one doesn’t need a background in or survey of western civilization or anarchist philosophies to grasp.It exists beyond all of that.Sure it may take more effort ,but it leaves open a huge spectrum for interaction.

#8

But the term is not meant to encompass the totality of the experience. The word is in fact meant for people who have NOT had the experience. It’s meant to give a general idea. It explains to someone that this thing exists, and they can try it. Then they have the experience.

It is a truism that the map is not the territory. But some people need the map to find the territory.