Random complaints

So I had a job interview in Pittsburgh for the Western Pennsylvania Conservancy. I’m pretty sure they want to hire me as a botanist. Problem is I don’t want to move to Pittsburgh. Out of all the cities in the world I would like to live there most. My sister lives there, tons of friends, decent working class city, not too trendy and expensive, rolling hills and rivers and wild turkeys, it’s only three hours from home. There are even other rewilders nearby. BUT I hate the city. I’m not a city person. I can’t drive anywhere near a city without nearly killing myself. I would be sucked into city life there. I fear I would spend my money dining out, drinking with those friends I was talking about, going to shows, and paying exorbitant prices for housing. I could live in the park. But could I live in the park? Would my friends and family let me live in the park? What could they do about it? But surely they would try to stop me. I resent the fact that the headquarters for all of these big conservation institutions are located downtown in big cities. Audobon is in New York, Nature Conservancy is in the DC area. Just goes to show you they are really about money more than conservation. It makes no sense really. To get to the areas we need to study we will have to spend all this time stuck in traffic driving away from the city. The people in the office where I had my interview, especially the young people don’t even look like outdoorsmen and women. They look like interns for a newspaper or something, all button down shirts and khakis. I actually had to borrow shoes and clothes to go to this interview. The glue on my own adidas sambas evaporated sometime in December near a fire leaving the toes flapping open. My “good” shoes (those that don’t shovel up snow and rain with each step) are vans slip ons featuring an indian skull wearing a headress. But what if i don’t get any other job? I do like plants and I can’t see myself working here at a gas station or anywhere else I don’t like. I’d quit in a month, or my subconscious would accidentally break my leg or something. Arrg. All I want in life is a little place to call my own. Just a tiny little place.

My other complaint-Ive been eating meat lately which I don’t usually do. Not for moral reasons. I just never really liked it. I stopped eating steak when i was like four, but i figure I better teach myself to like it if i want to rewild. Well I ate steak thursday and venison friday and chicken saturday and i noticed that i just feel really, really stupid eating meat with a knife and a fork. I want to pick it up and bite it. I would be so much easier and more efficient and just plain better. I look around at everyone else eating with their dainty little knives and forks and they strike me as stuffy european royalty, it seems a ridiculous farce. My friend’s mother actually used to say “teeth are not for cutting”. AHHH, that is exactly what teeth are for!

I fear I would spend my money dining out, drinking with those friends I was talking about, going to shows, and paying exorbitant prices for housing.

You just described the last four years of my life.

Sounds like you don’t want to live in the city. So why are you doing it?

Forks are for pussies!

Well I haven’t officially been offered the position. I probably won’t accept. I tried not to let my parents in on the fact that I even had an interview so they wouldn’t get on my case about it, but my sister leaked. It’s just that I want a little money and I am fundamentally incapable of working a job I don’t enjoy, so if there are no good jobs closer to home… It’s a question of doing something I want to do but not living where I want to live or living where I want and doing something I don’t want to. Maybe I should just start a business of my own, but I lack self-discipline and focus. I like too many different things to throw all my effort into one. Maybe I should just disappear into the forest and forget about having my own place and paying off my student loans. Urg. I just really want a base camp, though. Someplace I can build a “permanent” dwelling, plant a fruit tree, make a shit pile. Plenty of people are willing to let me set up the tipi on their property but not do those things, and I don’t like the idea of someone , a landlord is actually the perfect term, watching over me.

“All I want in life is a little place to call my own.” Me too Penny Scout.

My mom is retiring in a few years. We’ve been looking for land for the last year or two. Remote forest land in B.C… that was the original plan. Now we’re looking into like 2-5 acres in a rural forest area outside of Portland Oregon. 10 acres would be ideal… but it’s not affordable. If this works out I’m going to build an earth dwelling of my own… do community stuff in Portland… and live in the forest. If you ever decide to move to the pacific northwest, you could build on the property we own.

I really enjoy peeling apart the layers of flesh of whatever animal I’m eating. I like using sticks and knifes to eat some things. Metal in my mouth just feels wrong to me.

Penny, I was planning to send you some buffalo sausage and salmon along in the package I’m mailing you. ?Does that sound good?

I want a lot of things. I especially don’t want genocide to happen to any person, people, culture, or thing. The purposeful and knowing act of carrying extinction and genocide sucks for me and all of us. We lose so much. Seeing a fellow human go on living ignorantly blissful hurts and when I catch myself enacting the same story I become angry with myself. I feel pain often sometimes because I didn’t know better in the past to see that I worked on making a future that was going to hurt me, and with the damage done that I helped created I know now this that I can’t help people like I used to want to. I want to make up for all my mistakes, but some are impossible to fix.
If a persons minds changes about the way they eat, then maybe the way they eat will change too. Mass produced meat that we farm and put under lock and key, makes me sick nowadays! So I’ve tryed to avoid it altogether for the last couple of years or so. Instead, I eat wild because of the benefits it has to offer myself and others lifestyle and wellness, plus it doesn’t make me feel ill and want to vomit. Wah wah!

Raindance-buffalo sausage and salmon sounds great! I never stopped liking fish and love sausage/jerky/bacon and other meats that don’t taste like meats!
RRM-i just realized I have never bought meat or fish from a supermarket in my life actually. Not as a matter of principle so much as by default. I eat the meat others have bought already. We actually have a lot of small family farms in my area that sell meat. (and i just found out one of them sells raw milk. yes!) I wouldn’t feel bad buying from them. You know what else I have never done? Made coffee. I have no idea how to make coffee.

I sympathize with your agony over the job, Emily. I spent 5 years of my life in “The” City (NYC), and though I was able to do and learn a lot of things I wouldn’t have otherwise, overall, it really killed my soul.

That’s not what I meant to say. When I started typing this reply, I thought, “I’ll be the guy that tells her that you can make it work in the city if you want to.” But you are far more countrified than I was when I was in NY, and I think it would really choke you to be there.

I know what it’s like having to commute out of the masses to get to the plants. I worked for a summer harvesting wildflowers in New Jersey. We worked 14 hour days a few days a week, but probably 4 hours of that was just driving. If you do take it, you’ll be glad for the chances you have to get out of town. But while you’re in town, I think it will probably drive you crazy.

ya’ll should go in on one of these www.privateislandsonline.com.

Oh man, I wish you would take the job so we Anthropik folks could have some more rewilding friends around! But obviously, that’s selfish. To be honest, you’re making the right decision in not accepting the job. Jason and I are fighting an uphill battle to get out of the city, to kick off a virtuous cycle. For you to move into a city - even a city like Pittsburgh - would be a step in the wrong direction. Stay out in the country. By the way, you mentioned living three hours from Pittsburgh - if you don’t mind me asking, where do you live now?

Giuli!

Welcome to REWILD. I just read and replied to your “dandelion” reply. And as I hit the part in your quote that said:

“What a fantastic idea!” Giuli thought to herself.

I though: “How weird. This book Prissiest is talking about has a Giuli in it–like the Giuli over at Anthropik. How many Giulis are there in the world? And why do I come across them on feral forums?”

But now I realize that you and Anthropik Giuli are the same and that you were inserting your own thoughts into the book you were quoting.

Again, welcome. And it’s nice to see the wheels turning at Anthropik again.

(sorry to threadjack)

Hey There-I split my time between Warren and Bradford on either side of the ANF up here near the NY border.

Hey, you’re not too far away from the Faithkeepers School! Have you ever been?

[quote=“WildeRix, post:10, topic:168”]Giuli!

Welcome to REWILD. I just read and replied to your “dandelion” reply. And as I hit the part in your quote that said: [quote]“What a fantastic idea!” Giuli thought to herself. [/quote]

I though: “How weird. This book Prissiest is talking about has a Giuli in it–like the Giuli over at Anthropik. How many Giulis are there in the world? And why do I come across them on feral forums?”

But now I realize that you and Anthropik Giuli are the same and that you were inserting your own thoughts into the book you were quoting.

Again, welcome. And it’s nice to see the wheels turning at Anthropik again.

(sorry to threadjack)[/quote]
There are more of us Giulis than you think. Muahahahaha… Well… no… to my knowledge, it’s pretty much just me, at least in the primitivist scene. Anyway, thanks for the welcome! :slight_smile:

Yeah, I do know about the faithkeepers school. I drive by it from time to time but I’ve never stopped in for a visit. I talked to the founder once about finding a native herbalist to learn from but he said there were none left on the reservation and they brought people in to teach it from Canada. :’(

I hear you on those complaints about city life. I would love to live in a wild place but I don’t know how to do it with no savings and no car- I am not skilled enough to live totally isolated in the woods even if I wanted to, because then it would be super hard to ever see family and friends. In Portland I can live really cheaply and I have a shitload of rewilders in walking/biking distance from where I live, but the city really gets me down. The river is a super-fund site for fucks sake. So Im stuck too. I know people live in the woods right around in the city and I could do that i guess, but when you cant have fires and theres no clean water it doesnt sound like much fun.

And Im another wild meat only person, partly because the meat industry is so fucked up, and also because its not that easy to dumpster meat. I steal some beef jerky once in a while though.

I love doing it. No clean water mean we find clean water. No fires or building means we find places that allow fires, building, growing. Rewild. I hope it happens everywhere so that I don’t have to walk that far!!! My body gets sore sometimes.

GRIEF i was thinking the other day, there is this beautiful park DOANES PARK that i used to walk through with my dog everyday. a couple years back they started saving part of it, calling it NATURAL PRAIRIE. anyways, they ended up paving a path through it for people to walk. also, there was another park WATER WORKS PARK where you could walk for miles in tall grasses, they did the same thing there. a fuckin path! this kinda stuff just enrages me! who wants to walk in nature, on a goddamn paved, blacktop path? huh? has the world gone mad or just me? any thoughts? gr(A)1

I guess I support paved paths in some places because people who wouldn’t get out in nature otherwise do start using them and more people can commute by bicycle if it goes to town like the one I am thinking of does. But it does suck when it was your favorite spot and sort of secret and now you’ve got a hundred people there, joggers, babies, rollerbladers, and the path is now 8 feet wide and there’s dog shit on your favorite plants.

Down with all paved paths. I hate’em. Saw- dust I can deal with to some degree but pathed paths make the trip kind of fake and unseparated. I totally have empathy for you, Green man. Like one of my friends onced said to me, “why paved?” Some people just got to have it their way even if it means destroying vital connections.

Lawns.
So I really want a place of my own which means I’ve been thinking a lot about acreage and land. The place I want (because it’s cheap) is on .25 acres. Not much at all for someone who wants fruit trees and extensive gardens. So I drive by these houses all the time now and notice how big their yards are and how completely empty the are! I live in a very rural area and space isn’t at a premium, so when these people buy the house I imagine they probably think about what it looks like, and the location and the price and it doesn’t make too much difference to them if it comes with 1 or 2 or 3 acres or even 10 or 20 or 30 a little more or less to mow, maybe they want it for the prestige or privacy but they aren’t actually going to do anything with it. I’m sitting here thinking about how to squeeze the most productivity into .25 acres and meanwhile they have this gigantic barren wasteland of a yard that they don’t even appreciate or these woods that they never set foot in. It’s so unfair.