Indo-European spirituality


#1

[quote=“Goblin Girl, post:40, topic:721”]Yes Peter, I also agree that the topic of ancestral religion and mythologies should have its own topic.

oakcorn, I really like your thoughts about the true origins of the giants, which also seem to correlate well with the ancient Gaelic lore of the so-called “little people”, which were actually (I think RJ Stewart talks about this) beings or forces that were vast and powerful and huge. Calling them “little people” may originally have been a kind of protection against them, but ultimately let to their literal belittlement in people’s minds.

I need to do some more research on “viking stones”, but I think that runes are only on the most recent ones. And I don’t get the impression that runes were ever used as part of a full written tradition–more as a way to mark or honor things, or imbue them with power or magic.

Oakcorn, I don’t remember the source, (maybe RJ Stewart again?), but I have read that a more powerful version of Thor existed really early on, then was later absorbed into the Germanic pantheon, and reduced to a lower level (son of a more powerful god, rather than at the top). Have you read this anywhere? I wonder how that would affect the idea of the gods vs. giants mythology.

I also find it very interesting how very similar the Germanic gods vs. Giants mythology is to the Vedic gods vs. Asuras mythology. Yet another reminder of the original Indo-European roots of all of this.[/quote]
Ive never heard that Thor was on top before. I tentatively speculate that that assertion comes from someone more Greek myth oriented than I am currently. Zeus being the lightning/thunder god at the top there. Tiw is who I have known about to be the deposed king. See wikipedia’s article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyr It seems that his name is a sister word to latin “deus.”
Viking Rune Stones are not particularly religious, but were basically grave markers for whoever’s family had the money to have one made and cared to have one made. Most simply say “So and so commissioned this from so and so for so and so who died.” Runes themselves hardly ever were used for anything more than writing the owners name on something or taking tally of goods, though magical uses did occur, particularly in repurposing of Roman coins http://www.google.com/search?q=bracteate&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yiL1U5i6Ko27ogTX_YDwAQ&ved=0CD4QsAQ&biw=1659&bih=936#q=runic+bracteate&rls=en&safe=off&tbm=isch. The runic system first was developed by the Norse, who adapted, most likely, Etruscan characters (possibly some Greek, too) into a form easily carved onto wood and sometimes stone. The Danes (a Norse branch) introduced this system to the English when they invaded and created the Danelaw, which was all of northern and central England, but not the south, where most of the Saxon and germanic-tribes-not-Angle-or-Saxon were. About one third of “England” remained illiterate until they rediscovered Roman characters in the 800s, well after the political/religious elite were literate in Latin due to christian conversions in the 5-700’s CE. Runes took on immediate religious/superstitious importance for the Norse, but IMO not quite as much as modern Neo-pagans believe. IMO runes are nice, but they arent THAT nice. And, like writing in other parts of the world, it was restricted to the elites in society at the time.


#2

[font=georgia]I would recommend the book ‘The Divine Thunderbolt - Missile of the Gods’ by J.T. Sibley. It contains a lot of information in regards to what you have discussed. I had an opportunity to take a few classes with her this past summer and speak as well. She is very well versed on the topics you are discussing.[/font]


#3

Thanks for the recommendation White Raven, I will add that to my reading list, although unfortunately it is not carried at my local library.

I’ve been trying to find the reference I read that spoke about Thor as being at the top of the Germanic pantheon in earlier times, but the only thing I’ve found so far is a suggestion that he was derived from the older sky god Tyr.