Guests checking us out more than we check us. Anyone notice that?

I wonder if I am much to ingrained with civilization to ever truly be a rewilder. But I am on the path to knowledge right now....a good first step.

I would definately say that is a good first step, KOB. The thing is, there really is no turning back from here on out, no matter how conditioned to civilization you are. That’s just the way it goes… 8)

And while you’re on this path to knowledge it makes it much easier to surround yourself with like minded people. Daniel Quinn explains how to do this clearly and coherently in his book, Beyond Civilization. It’s a handbook to help us get beyond this prison culture.

I don’t think anybody has recommended Ran Prieur’s work to you yet. His work is definately worth checking out as you continue on down this path.

http://www.ranprieur.com

Good luck!

Curt

I sometimes have started to read posts as a visitor,forgetting to log in.
::slight_smile: :’( ; ;D ofthewood

I hear you all,

If you have come this far you have started. Many starting points exist ya know?! Depends on the persons situation, right? No body the same. Many steps to look forward to too as far as I go. Lots to learn too. I enjoy the ideas "walk away, step by step, go tribally (not necessarily indigenously/natively/aboriginally/ or “primitively” tribally) [Daniel Quinn description from his tools and frames of references]. A one right way for people to live doesn’t exist. So go ahead do what you want, experiment, rechild, change minds, unite and divserify, idk. MY journey (my small part) really started with Daniel Quinn, Tom Brown, and MYSELF after my bro. hooked me up with the book Ishmael and later Tracker. They especially helped me open my eyes to see the community of life for what it has to offer and DQ taught many of us about the law of life. SHIFT has changed my life greatly and in some ways I’ve searched for it (or something like it) for a log time but only recently participated. Yay!!! My life has gone desettling for the last 9 years. Like I say ‘my civilization life suck for the most part, I want a more wild life’ so that myself, our children, and our neighbors in community of life don’t have to put up with totalitarian agricultural and lock and key like we do nowadays on such a enormous devastating and genocidal scale. I personally don’t care if the world has a “small” civilization that just wants a little land to call their own (as long as it doesn’t come my way with annihilation of diversity), but I do care about a civilization (OUR civilization) that has encompassed and exerted full-time control over MOST of Earth’s terrain and looks forward to continue. I don’t believe we will find a resource that will take over the job of oil, I think we already have a resource that can’t do the job of oil, however, can keep us alive for more than a hundred years along WITH the need biodiversity. And many of us call it: The New Tribal Revolution (give support, get support, and all that good and bad stuff). You don’t have to know everything, in order to join with me you just got to want to with me. I believe everybody has opportunities and resources to make a difference and a one right way for people to make difference doesn’t exist. In no way have I hated on civilization (especially OURS which I hate the most lol), I just only desire diversity to restore, and our civilization currently doesn’t except THAT. It wants everything to get ordered around by it. Fuck that!!! Rewild away.

Earnestly ours,
Dedomesticator

p.s. KOB, welcome and thank you.

*&%^!, i just went to reference Daniel Quinn’s book/tool that I had in a tool box but can’t find it. The book, The Story of B, has this one part that I wanted to post, but like I said, unfortunately, i don’t have it anymore. Well, if I find it or a copy, I look forward to posting it.

KoB,

I wanted to say something else about Peak Oil. A few years back my friends and family did a radio interview with Richard Heinberg. He wrote The Party is Over and Powerdown. Those two books are probably some of the best books out there when it comes to understanding and doing something about Peak Oil.

And if you don’t have the time to read those you can listen to the talk he gave at the Midwest Renewable Energy Fair a few years back. Just click on the link below. It’s an amazing audio piece when it comes to understanding what we face when it comes to running out of cheap oil.

http://www.superiorbroadcast.org/Heinberg.htm

Again, good luck!

Curt

Awesome discussion!

On gardens & gardening

Permaculture is great, but can often be a little overwhelming. Another perspective to play with is Masanobu Fukuoka’s “Natural Farming” or “Do-Nothing Farming”, which is really a form of horticulture. One of the things that the method relies on (that he does not always draw proper attention to, IMHO) is that timing is very important!

Admitedly he spends less time on a simple veggie garden than anything else, but there’s still some great ideas like:

"Sowing a good quantity of fall vegetables such as daikon, turnip, and other crucifers will hold back the emergence of winter and spring weeds. When left in the orchard until the following spring, however, these flower and age, becoming something of a nuisance in gardening work. If a few of these vegetables are left to grow here and there, they will flower and drop seed. Come June or July, the seeds will germinate, giving many first-generation hybrids close by the original plants. These hybrids are semi-wild vegetables that, in addition to having a taste and appearance quite different from that of the original vegetable, generally grow to absurdly large proportions: great big daikon, turnips too large for children to pull up, giant Chinese cabbages, crosses between black mustard and Indian mustard, … a garden of surprises. As food, they are likely to overwhelm and many people may be hesitant about sampling, but depending on how they are prepared, these vegetables can make for very flavorful and interesting eating."

http://fukuokafarmingol.info/fover.html

And, on a more personal note, I’ve found that my gardens are actually pretty good places to encourage certain weeds to grow (my neighbors think I’m crazy, but…). So I have a pretty decent sized patch of lamb’s quaters in one garden (finally tried that cooked this past weekend, and god damn that stuff’s good!), clover, shamrocks (wood sorrel), wild onions, dandelions (of course!), chufa, rose of sharon sprouts, pokeweed and probably other stuff I haven’t managed to identify yet!

On Peak Oil

Yeah, once “Peak Oil” sank in, I just kind of walked around lost in thought, not saying anything for a few hours as I worked through it. It can be a pretty big pill at first, but, once you get past that, it’s really for the best. Anthopik’s “30 Theses” is an excellent guide to getting comfortable with the position that leaving civilization behind is the best thing we can possibly do for both ourselves and our world.

Also, I’d like to add this site to list of urls to visit:
http://poweringdown.blogspot.com/

It’s often not specific to Peak Oil, but it’s still an excellent blog.

On signing on as Guest
Yeah, I do that too sometimes. If I need to clear out my cookies during testing and/or debugging, I might be wandering around for a couple weeks w/o actually signing in!

(oh, yeah, I’ve got an office job I’m not that thrilled with either… )

I moved kindofblue’s latest reply to this thread to a new thread here due to a change in topic.

Feel free to continue the above thread and to comment to kindofblue’s new question at the other thread.

Great replies, with a lot of great resources. I have added these links to Penny’s Media page over at the wiki. Feel free to add more.

This rest of this post has been moved to Rewilding Mind & Heart due to a change in topic.

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Wow, 61 quests on line. I’ve never seen so many. 8)

I saw’d 67

84 guests…

:o 107! Amazing! :slight_smile:

155! And 3 users! Holy crap!

fbi

sigh. party pooper.

Search your heart, you know it to be true :o

upon reflection, i think they’d only assign one FBI guy to rewild.info. not one hundred and sixty-six.

just a thought.

i don’t know, Willem. if you were a fed, wouldn’t talk of eating nettles and roadkill strike fear into your heart? by gosh, that sort of thing goes against everything god-fearing amerikans value! :wink:

Awesomeness! Perhaps if the agent(s) do they will learn something about awesomeness since we do create and post a lot of awesomeness, a lot of real useful sustainable culture information here, eh? True awesomeness, eh? Something worth telling, eh? :o