Foolish Settlers Of America

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#1

I read somewhere that the early settlers would actually look for gold even when all the settlements were starving through a winter.

:smiley: ;D

Civilization irony anyone? That is the irony of society in that everyone could learn to survive for themselves without a state or authority governing them but instead people choose a different life one of wealth where they tell themselves they will be free in the future while they toil in servitude,enslavement and entrapment in the present.

Just thought I would share a random ironical moment of thought. ;D

Feel free to go back to whatever you were doing now… :smiley: :wink:

#2

…instead “Some” [my addition to your opinion statement above] people choose a different life one of wealth where they tell themselves they will be in the future while they toil in servitude…

With that said, now I plan to head back to rewilding, the shit I do.

Earnestly,
Eric

#3

within the community of life organisms live in a way that works in that community.

in the community of civilization, humans live in a way that works in civilization.

the settlers came over with very little, living here was hard. they need food shelter, clothing, many tools to support farming. these things need money. they knew they would be better off searching for gold than other things because gold in civilization will give you lots and lots of money. and money as the settlers and everyone knows will buy you the things you need to live in civilization.

the settlers looked for gold with a very high priority for this reason, it wasn’t cus they were blinded by greed, this is how they lived. this is how we live.

finding gold ensured their survival for a much longer period of time. because they could buy and trade with it. think of it has having a job. you put in time you get money.

this is a job, not a conventional one, like working for a company, where you give them your time and they give you money. but this is still a job. sure they didn’t work for a company, but they invested time, and for that got gold, which had value, so they could buy things, like food. which is EXACTLY what EVERYONE (takers) does today. work for money to buy food.

its easy to see by your example of the settlers how civilization doesn’t make sense. i aggree its stupid to toil like that when food is there for the taking. but what we are seeing with the settlers isn’t unique to them, it is how we live in civilization.

#4
its easy to see by your example of the settlers how civilization doesn't make sense. i aggree its stupid to toil like that when food is there for the taking. but what we are seeing with the settlers isn't unique to them, it is how we live in civilization.

good point. like if Joe Civilization moved to a new place, he would probably look for a “job”. Job/gold/fur trapping/farming: economy represents the way energy is transferred in the civ–as opposed to foraging and hunting whereby the energy travels more directly from the food to me.

#5

ha, i remember once i was walking along a river picking berries, and came across a group of people that were chipping away at the banks of the river looking for fossils. i know, fossils are cool, but it was really funny that they were surrounded by delicious, beautiful berries, wich they ignored in favor of possibly finding an imprint of something that’s dead.

#6

[quote=“New-Trbl-Revolution, post:3, topic:229”]within the community of life organisms live in a way that works in that community.

in the community of civilization, humans live in a way that works in civilization.

the settlers came over with very little, living here was hard. they need food shelter, clothing, many tools to support farming. these things need money. they knew they would be better off searching for gold than other things because gold in civilization will give you lots and lots of money. and money as the settlers and everyone knows will buy you the things you need to live in civilization.

the settlers looked for gold with a very high priority for this reason, it wasn’t cus they were blinded by greed, this is how they lived. this is how we live.

finding gold ensured their survival for a much longer period of time. because they could buy and trade with it. think of it has having a job. you put in time you get money.

this is a job, not a conventional one, like working for a company, where you give them your time and they give you money. but this is still a job. sure they didn’t work for a company, but they invested time, and for that got gold, which had value, so they could buy things, like food. which is EXACTLY what EVERYONE (takers) does today. work for money to buy food.

its easy to see by your example of the settlers how civilization doesn’t make sense. i aggree its stupid to toil like that when food is there for the taking. but what we are seeing with the settlers isn’t unique to them, it is how we live in civilization.[/quote]

I was looking at it more as a angle that human beings are the only species that look for useless objects like gold to purchase survival when in all reality survival is already innately in them that is activated by will alone.

There is no other species I know who would do such a thing that is so much trouble and in this regard humans remain alone in this activity rather parodoxically.

The self sufficiency and independence of living centered around survival is there for all human beings to utilize but in order to come to it’s grasps it only requires the choice to break free of all our egos and assumptions instead acting upon our will alone. Human beings must relearn the will power that is within us all.

#7

good point. like if Joe Civilization moved to a new place, he would probably look for a “job”. Job/gold/fur trapping/farming: economy represents the way energy is transferred in the civ–as opposed to foraging and hunting whereby the energy travels more directly from the food to me.[/quote]

What I have come to understand is that survival amongst the wilderness like the very first human beings is the closest thing to the concept of freedom.

A man or woman will be no more indepedent , self reliant and self sufficient as they will be amongst nature since such a survival requires the working of all the physical faculties that comprises our being.

The difference between that of the civilized world in comparison to the primordial natural world in survival is this:

Amongst the natural world one truely survives on their will alone.

Amongst the civilized world one only survives off the will power of others and many of these people that constitute a dependency we never meet.

#8

Yeah I see a bunch of silliness like that around here myself.

I always say: What is the use of looking at past or future history if one cannot be active in the present? Seems rather self defeating to me.

#9
Amongst the natural world one truely survives on their will alone.

Amongst the civilized world one only survives off the will power of others and many of these people that constitute a dependency we never meet.

I think I understand what you’re trying to say here, but I disagree with your word choices.

By contrasting the natural will with the civilized dependency, you’re pointing out that the indigenous person has within himself the knowledge he needs to survive: he knows how to hunt, forage, trap, fish, find water, make shelter, make fire, etc. The civie knows almost none of those things, and whatever they do know is tied up in the complexity of the machine whereby they may know how to hunt but only with a rifle they cannot make themselves and bullets that–even if they can make themselves, require materials they cannot procure themselves. You’re pointing out the difference between the elegance of indigenous life verses the complexity (needless complexity like Pee-wee Herman’s Breakfast Machine) in civilized life. In that I don’t disagree.

But the indigenous person also survives off the will power of others. The tribe works as a community, hunting together, butchering together, cooking together, raising children together, crafting clothing and baskets and spears and ornaments together. The difference is in the degree of connectedness. The civie rarely knows the man who makes the rifle. The rifle maker likely doesn’t know the steel smelter or the lumberjack who killed the tree to make the stock or the man who coiled the spring or cut the threads in the screws. Even the steel smelter wouldn’t know where to go to get the ore to make the steel to make the barrel.

But in the tribe, if you trade something for a spear someone else makes, the connections between the parts are much closer. You can find out who shaped the shaft, who knapped the flint, where the flint came from. You may have even known the animal whose sinew wraps the hafting. Moreover, you could probably do it all yourself–maybe not as beautifully, which is why you’re making a trade–but you could get by and get better if you had to.

#10

[quote=“WildeRix, post:9, topic:229”][quote]Amongst the natural world one truely survives on their will alone.

Amongst the civilized world one only survives off the will power of others and many of these people that constitute a dependency we never meet.[/quote]

I think I understand what you’re trying to say here, but I disagree with your word choices.

By contrasting the natural will with the civilized dependency, you’re pointing out that the indigenous person has within himself the knowledge he needs to survive: he knows how to hunt, forage, trap, fish, find water, make shelter, make fire, etc. The civie knows almost none of those things, and whatever they do know is tied up in the complexity of the machine whereby they may know how to hunt but only with a rifle they cannot make themselves and bullets that–even if they can make themselves, require materials they cannot procure themselves. You’re pointing out the difference between the elegance of indigenous life verses the complexity (needless complexity like Pee-wee Herman’s Breakfast Machine) in civilized life. In that I don’t disagree.

But the indigenous person also survives off the will power of others. The tribe works as a community, hunting together, butchering together, cooking together, raising children together, crafting clothing and baskets and spears and ornaments together. The difference is in the degree of connectedness. The civie rarely knows the man who makes the rifle. The rifle maker likely doesn’t know the steel smelter or the lumberjack who killed the tree to make the stock or the man who coiled the spring or cut the threads in the screws. Even the steel smelter wouldn’t know where to go to get the ore to make the steel to make the barrel.

But in the tribe, if you trade something for a spear someone else makes, the connections between the parts are much closer. You can find out who shaped the shaft, who knapped the flint, where the flint came from. You may have even known the animal whose sinew wraps the hafting. Moreover, you could probably do it all yourself–maybe not as beautifully, which is why you’re making a trade–but you could get by and get better if you had to.[/quote]

The tribal person does survive off of the will power of others but never at a point where it threatens his or her self reliance,independence,dignity and self sufficiency to annihilation in comparison of the civilized human being.

I guess that is what I am trying to say.

I agree with your post.