How does monkeywrenching fit into our community?
I’m currently working on a looooong blog about this. I’ll try to get something up.
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i think everyone does 
it doesn’t it’s antisocial behavior. first rule of fight club: do not talk about fight club. some things don’t translate well on-line, in writing, or any other means in which the targets can deduce a conspirator. unless, you are conspiring to perform blissful acts of selflessness.
Hmm, pephaps, but… mostly I disagree.
I’ve run into a number of Life™ snags of late, but I still intend to put together something related to this and how a somewhat old idea (heathen frith) could give us a glimpse into what concepts like “violence” and “peace” might mean to rewilded/feral humans.
that beautiful, jhereg. it’s still nto the act of monkeywrenching. Giving us cultural perspective, is academic. What you do with that information is up to oneself, correct?
It’s anti-social to conspire illegally in this public place, the community of the rewild.info conversations. it would lead (and has led many times in the past in other communities) to the breakdown of our anarchist order. it would result to flase claims of authority, large amounts of back turning (in one direction or the other) and the community would be more crystalized, and less of what make it beautiful now.
Why spoil it with suffering, with contention, and the need to exert some type of authority when such acts are best reported on, and not discussed.
[quote=“TonyZ, post:6, topic:412”]It’s anti-social to conspire illegally in this public place, the community of the rewild.info conversations. it would lead (and has led many times in the past in other communities) to the breakdown of our anarchist order. it would result to flase claims of authority, large amounts of back turning (in one direction or the other) and the community would be more crystalized, and less of what make it beautiful now.
Why spoil it with suffering, with contention, and the need to exert some type of authority when such acts are best reported on, and not discussed.[/quote]
Um, sorry, I’m slow at times. Are you saying we shouldn’t discuss this issue because it may incriminate us later? Or do you mean that this topic could lead to this board disintegrating due to disagreements? Maybe something else entirely.
Sorry, I’m just not following.
violence is a righteous act. the pre-european peoples of my area had difficulty agreeing on the topic of violence, and they lost because small bands went out against the will of the tribe. then more bands formed to avenge the loss of these first bands, and soon these sons were lost too.
all these angry young men went to war very righteously, and were no longer available to help their women and children defend themselves.
the bands were perfectly righteous, especially considering what the european brothers have done with the land, but where are the Wea? Where are the Piankasha? Only their ghosts can speak to me when I visit the sacred waters.
Righteousness, after all this deconstruction of civilization, remains a sensitive topic, a topic primed for the implosion of a society and way of life. How can we learn the real lessons of righteousness other than by studying the history of those who acted in righteousness? You will find only the wicked have prevailed because they were prepared to be wicked, because those with a sense of righteousness fail to properly transmit their feelings, and acted in haste.
Coordinated, precision attacks a la fight club would be the only righteous act I would be willing to participate in. perhaps, I have friends and means already together to protect the life near and dear to me.
When it gets beyond teaching others to fire a weapon, care for a weapon, or making our own ammunition, then we will only be prepared to die and kill.
What preparations can we make to be prepared to live and grow?
ah, i see. i disagree that all violent acts are necessarily acts of righteousness (even subjectively).
[quote=“TonyZ, post:8, topic:412”]Righteousness, after all this deconstruction of civilization, remains a sensitive topic, a topic primed for the implosion of a society and way of life. How can we learn the real lessons of righteousness other than by studying the history of those who acted in righteousness? You will find only the wicked have prevailed because they were prepared to be wicked, because those with a sense of righteousness fail to properly transmit their feelings, and acted in haste.
Coordinated, precision attacks a la fight club would be the only righteous act I would be willing to participate in. perhaps, I have friends and means already together to protect the life near and dear to me.[/quote]
hmm. so you see value (and sociability) in thoughtful, coordinated violence?
don’t get me wrong, i don’t intend to start using violence as my first tool, but i’ve been in enough rough spots to value it’s use when other tools fail.
[quote=“TonyZ, post:8, topic:412”]When it gets beyond teaching others to fire a weapon, care for a weapon, or making our own ammunition, then we will only be prepared to die and kill.
What preparations can we make to be prepared to live and grow?[/quote]
well…
whoever said that violence is (or should be) the sum total of our existence? i thought the question was whether or not it does/should form a part of our community (esp as relates to monkeywrenching).
violence may be something to avoided, but i wouldn’t say avoided at all costs.
do you know the difference between a person who grew up in the woods and an adult who wants to learn about edible plants?
Certain opportunities have already been missed. People can find things like courage and fortitude when necessary; they cannot re-discover the state of brain that made new connections so much easier (or can they?).
I’m answering the question; “Does Monkeywrenching have a place in this community?” not answering the general question “am I wrong for wanting to strike back at civilization?”
True, not all violence is righteous, (that was more of a misspeak on my part) but anti-civ violence would be completely righteous, which is what I am talking about.
Still stuck on my anti-social comment? I can’t say much else than a society is built on more than what is necessary, and what is necessary isn’t always palatable. You could say that the resentment, hate, and the ‘don’t drag me into your violent vision’ and the ensueing ‘discussions’ would be more anti-social than a clear-headed plan of attack.
Violence is the sum total of existence. what is violence, stripped of all it’s associative meaning? it’s the breaking of skin, the puncturing of barriers, invasion, and the lack of humility. all existence in all corners constantly, violently, redefines the borders of what was and what could be.
[quote=“TonyZ, post:10, topic:412”]do you know the difference between a person who grew up in the woods and an adult who wants to learn about edible plants?
Certain opportunities have already been missed. People can find things like courage and fortitude when necessary; they cannot re-discover the state of brain that made new connections so much easier (or can they?).[/quote]
that’s a real good question. wish i had an answer
[quote=“TonyZ, post:10, topic:412”]I’m answering the question; “Does Monkeywrenching have a place in this community?” not answering the general question “am I wrong for wanting to strike back at civilization?”
True, not all violence is righteous, (that was more of a misspeak on my part) but anti-civ violence would be completely righteous, which is what I am talking about.[/quote]
ok, i see, i approached the question it from a different perspective (as in “when (if ever) would it be appropriate to use violence/monkeywrenching?”)
somewhat, but only because the point behind referring to frith was to show that violence can (not will, just can) build/maintain strong, healthy social relationships
I don’t think monkeywrenching has a place In this community because that isn’t the purpose with which we all come together. Individuals in the community may or may not support the idea, and monkeywrenching may or may not share certain goals in common with rewilding, but, how do I put this? It’s like Raves and drugs. Many ravers are druggies, and many druggies are ravers, but dancing isn’t the same as getting high.
Ha ha, I love this. ;D
“How do you put this?”
How do you put it, I ask why put it differently…I mean, to me, that way it sounds great and makes sense; as far me, it don’t need no changin. 
Thanks for mentioning it.
I find this happening a lot, kind of a generalization of rewilder, a myth I feel. As a rewilder we mostly all rewild in different ways and jurneys, yet we all rewild. We all have rewild as a direct relation we share in common but we may or may not share the same kinds of acts and lives to get us to rewilding. :-X
There is no black and white here. Violence, in any form is not bad or good all the time. If someone, or something is threatening the safety and continued well being of you, your friends, your family, or even the dipshits whose minds are swollen from mass media and don’t know whats going on, then it is your DUTY, with a clear mind, to do whatever you need to do to defend yourself.
This goes for the armed drones and droids that we know that those who would oppress us are using as well as any other machine which could harm you, and even the generations which are to come as time is after all an illusion.
There is peaceful and then there is peaceable. I am in the latter category.
Ché said “Let me say, with the risk of appearing ridiculous, that the true revolutionary is guided by strong feelings of love.â€Â
Once in downtown SLC I was doing things Jim Morrison would have been proud of and witnessed a woman being beaten by a man. In the state I was in I wasn’t sure what was going on and hesitated. I looked about me to be sure I wasn’t hallucinating and saw at least 8 people standing there watching with even a man standing next to a phone booth doing nothing. I started over to the scene and about half way there looked over my shoulder to see where my 2 compatriots were and they hadn’t moved. I continued but he had shoved her into the car and drove up to me and said “Go ahead and call the cops, she’ll be dead before they find her.†And drove off.
My lesson? Be prepared for anything, and in the case of defending another never hesitate.