Illegal killing of game

Regenerative Culture Dangers & Risks
#12

Most of American law is backed by propaganda, usually in the form of signs and television shows. Of course, “No Hunting/Fishing/Whatevering” signs are not going to fine, arrest, or shoot you, and anyone who’s taken Clue 110 will realize that LE personnel are not like the actors on television.They are like any Babylonian (civilized) worker – they work from nine to five, eat garbage, don’t give a fuck about their jobs, and then drive home to harass their families. Also, when it comes to general crime, they show up after they get a phone call.

And LE is only able to catch people who are slightly dumber than they are, so as long as you aren’t doing stupid shit on behalf of money, and are generally clever, then all should be well.

The armies of Babylon are only unmatched in physical strength, but they ain’t so smart.

So the best thing to assume is that all Babylonians are narcs. Not “treat” all Babylonians as narcs; all Babylonians are narcs. They are the people who will most certainly call in on you. Especially over where I’m at, where people have this vile idea of being opposed to directly killing animals, but will finance agriculture and all industries it enables to torture, mutilate, and exterminate everything. I would not recommend urban hunting unless it can be done at night, otherwise you will have to deal with greater risks. Of course, doing any hunting at night will need some special tools, unless you’re a pretty decent ninja. The easiest thing to do would be fishing. It’s great at night, everyone is asleep, and it’s still just as fun.

You also don’t necessarily need to lug around weapons, tools or whatever. Whenever I go pole fishing, I just stash the pole under a pile of sticks right where I’m fishing. The same can be done with anything else. No one will steal it because they aren’t looking for it, and typically don’t come anywhere near it. The more expedient/primitive the weapons are, the better, since they are generally easy to make, and it doesn’t really matter if they get lost. Just keep track of where you hide it.

#13

I’ve been earning a reputation this spring by biking around setting rabbit traps in peoples neighborhoods. People have actually come up to me in town and asked me to come trap rabbits on their property! Recently some people asked me to come catch some feral guinea fowl at their place if i like. So last night i set a couple live traps w/ sprouted grains as bait. This morning the guinea fowl (a really huge feral population has grown where these people live) had still not visited these folks fields. So i headed down the road w/ my crossbow and found 10 - right on the side of the road in a kind of rural - suburban scene (meaning people could see me from their houses). I said fuck it, im tired of being pushed around told what i can and cant do. There were 10 of these beautiful birds, and they just hanging out infront of me, so i took a shot.
I hit one with my first arrow. In the leg. It could still fly well enough to get over a fence and into the nearest yard - wounded. The dude who lives there was sitting on his porch - i really calmly told him that i had shot a bird that was wounded on his property and I had to put it out of its pain now.
He flipped, started threatening me that what i was doing was illegal and he was going to kick my ass (although i was holding a crossbow…). I told him it didn’t matter how he felt about me - we had to put that bird out of its pain - but i had flipped his crazy civilized hate switch and he just chased me away.
Damn.
I feel so bad for the bird. I forgot how nuts everyone is - that hunting yr dinner is against the rules of consumerism. Maybe you folks can learn something from this experience i had?
It made me almost puke i felt so bad.

#14

AH! I fucking hate people. God damn.

#15

Aw dude thats horrible! Thats like exactly what I am afraid would happen if I went after the resident canada geese that live by a creek near my mothers house.

#16

Another interpretation -

He just wanted to chase you away so he could poach your bird.

I mean, what DO you think he did with it after you left!?

#17

Willem - he could well have eaten it (i hope he did). It’s just hard to know how to react when some ‘propery owner’ starts threatening with violence. I chose to back down, not sure if that was the smartest, but when one is in the heat of the moment…
Scavenger - yea, it was a shitty experience but ultimately it just taught me that i have to refine my skills - have to really hone them to the point that i can sneak into peoples neighborhoods - kill a creature quickly and efficiently, and leave unseen/heard. I will keep on doing this (and fucking up) until i get it right.

#18

I loved reading this! Yeah, I agree, probably not the best choice you made in such ignorant blissful times, but yeah I love hearing that you don’t plan on quitting but instead plan on practicing and working on your next approach (you said it better).

#19

people just don’t understand, how do they think their chicken dinner got on the table…made in a lab or something? you probably would have killed that bird more humanily than that dudes dinner was.

i was in a canoe with my friends one day, and i saw a snake, i had been out there all day and was getting hungry. i wanted it for lunch. i told my friend eric that i was going to catch and eat that snake. he started to yell and say if i killed that snake he was going to kick my ass, and that i should just go to a fast food place or a grocery store instead.

i was completely baffled by his anger and his statement. i really didn’t know what to say. i think i said something like, everything is food. but i dont’ know what goes through these peoples heads, like where the hell do they think the meat they’re eating comes from the freakin sky? i should have said something like:

“at least what i’m eating has had a chance to live the way it was meant to live and not be genetically altered, raised unhealthily in a very small dirty room, inside with thousands of other animals, or chained to the ground like baby cows …dick”

maybe i should’ve had HIM for lunch.

#20

yeah.
its amazing how if i go down to the river and catch 10 salmon i feel… bad. and people will tell me that it’s a bad thing to do. But if someone drops a net into the ocean and catches thousands of fish at once, as long as they are doing it for ‘money’, its all good. And eating those fish is okay.
Suddenly murder is not murder, if thats how you make money.

#21

that’s awesome!
I wish people around here were more adventurous!
I see some mushrooms growing in peoples yards, but, I honestly am not well versed enough in mushroom huntin to just know I’d be safe grabbing and running. as my aunt said:close is not close enough.

#22

Seems like ya’ll need to learn how to even do it at all before you go around trying to do it illegally. Find some people who really know how to hunt by conventional means and do that for a while till you are at least used to what has to be done.
Hell, running around shooting crossbows near peoples homes is just not smart. I’d have kicked your ass off my place too before I finished off that bird and had it for supper.

#23
I feel so bad for the bird. I forgot how nuts everyone is - that hunting yr dinner is against the rules of consumerism. Maybe you folks can learn something from this experience i had?

Yea people are crazy these days, sometimes it still makes me wonder at how people can frown upon hunting for food, when it is probably the most profitable (in terms of caloric energy value and fur/skin for clothing, etc) and important economic activity the human species can engage in to provide for our needs. How we are all connected by a hunting heritage, and how in the not-too-distant past nearly every family was eating wild meat and it was the most common thing for anyone to do. It used to be that every boy was out with a shotgun or bow bringing back a rabbit or grouse and men would compete with each other over hunting prowess and providing meat for their family and community.

Hunting without a license is something I think every person who is re-wilding has to confront at one time or another and I won’t judge anyone for the choice they make; whether they do it with paper or without. Some people seem to be content buying all their licenses in order to hunt wild meat, but I don’t agree personally with the whole idea of having to pay someone money for the “right” to hunt for food which is everyone’s heritage. Keeping a low profile is essential if you want to avoid unpleasant encounters and minimize detection, but there are plenty of other risks and health at stake if you don’t hunt for your food IMO. Again though, for those folks who have families or for some other reason purchase a license for their meat, I understand and respect their decision.

#24

you could always think of it as paying for the ‘right’ to nto get fucked with. knowing that part of indiana fishing fees goes to habitat restoratioin, is it really such a hassle then to pay the 20 bucks?

#25

I didn’t know they had their own style of restoration-fu! Please explain what you mean by that, it would enlighten me. Would it be, like, super grasses that repopulate areas more faster and more betterer?

I’m pretty sure it goes to species repopulation and law enforcement; which recently, I have found is a huge problem, that is, people treating these empty areas as some sort of private dumping grounds.

#26

some licenses aren’t so bad. like, the deer licenses aren’t too bad, if you really work it you could take up to 7 deer this year for a relatively modest license fee (at least in OH).

on the other hand, $25 for a turkey licnese w/ a limit of 1 seems a bit steep, esp since they’re also on the overpopulated side… guess they’re just not as overpopulated as the deer…

#27

Depending on where you live, poaching can have a steep price, you can sometimes even be charged with a felony. And also depending on how much hunting goes on around you and how much of a big business it is there (like it is here) then people can be rabid about making sure everyone follows the hunting laws. So it doesnt even matter if a fish and game warden or whatever sees you, anyone who sees you is gonna turn you in/have your name checked. Bah, it’s a pain in the ass.

The benefit of it is that otherwise the hoards of tourist hunters who come here from all of the country to hunt mountain lions, bears, elk and other big game would hunt everything to extinction. On the other hand, if there weren’t hunting laws maybe I could hunt fat drunk texans :wink:

they wouldn’t taste to good, but they’d make damn fine wall hangings :smiley:

#28

kind of like paying the mob for “protection”?

#29

Poaching is very illegal, yes. It is also very easy to get away with in an urban environment. Game wardens in WA state actually do a pretty good job checkin up on folks. My family alone has had to deal with them twice, but that is only in rural settings, they just don’t exist in Seattle. I have gotten rabbits all sorts of ways, including using a longbow. Walking home with two friends, a skinned and gutted rabbit, a longbow, a hatchet, and an enormous cleaver in the very early morning didn’t give us grief, and since we got away with that, I just can’t get too worried any more.

My urban poaching refinements now include not carrying any obviously fatal weapons. I think I would have a hard time explaining away a crossbow. Traps are what I want to move to, I feel like they would be easy enough to number and build them to make them look official. A friend uses a “hoola hoop of harm” for geese. I want to give that a try as well. It’s just a hoop with a net over it to throw like a frisbee over the geese.

I guess what I have really come to realize is that people in the city do not ever expect other folks are trying to kill and eat that bunny they see in the park. They wouldn’t consider it. If it is at all disguised they won’t catch on. Traps I would check at night, and I definately only hunt at night. I’ve probably only gone 10 times, but I have never had any problem whatsoever. I also bet that the parks and recreation shirt would work wonders, unless somebody that actually works at the park saw you. Exellent idea.

#30

yea - crossbow is a hard one to conceal. since i posted my last feral failure in poaching, i have had several successes hunting rabbits - just sneaking up w/ a net on more tame urban rabbits. urban hunting is great fun if you can handle all the variables - dealing with killing an animal in a public place and being present to the animal him/herself i find challenging.
that goose hoola hoop idea is amazing! thanks!

#31

I was reading some cool stuff about the sling…

http://www.slinging.org/

It’s primitive, its hideable, and portable… just a thong, a patch, and a bunch of rocks or shot is all you need.